Ouch That does put a small dent in palm yet a larger dent on the consumer of UPS and FED-x.
Now will never get are packages on time.WM.5.0 soft boots and hard boots on delivery.
Im Not selling myself out to palm but using there OS has been smooth sailing compared to WM.Microsoft puts there head in the sand it seems getting what they sell to really work for the customer and why..........MONEY.While microsoft gives its customer so much it wourthless If not reliable.
Now JN you can school me on what microsoft is really doing for there customers remebering the more money a company has the more power they have on are lives.
Ouch That does put a small dent in palm yet a larger dent on the consumer of UPS and FED-x.
Now will never get are packages on time.WM.5.0 soft boots and hard boots on delivery.
Im Not selling myself out to palm but using there OS has been smooth sailing compared to WM.Microsoft puts there head in the sand it seems getting what they sell to really work for the customer and why..........MONEY.While microsoft gives its customer so much it wourthless If not reliable.
Now JN you can school me on what microsoft is really doing for there customers remebering the more money a company has the more power they have on are lives.
Phil,
Don't get me wrong but the facts are the facts. The Palm OS, regardless of what device it's been loaded on is on it's last legs. It's almost a certanty that the Palm 700P will be the last device sold with Garnet on it (I am not the only one that has said this). Perhaps because the OS has been so patched and tweaked that it has reached it's technical limits. There's a reason as to why Windows Mobile surpassed Palm in devices shipped. Remember, there was a time when Palm was undesputed king of mobile devices.
Windows Mobile is far from perfect (as we can all attest to). But from the very beginning when it was called PPC 2001...2002...etc, WM was built on an architecture that supported multi-tasking, and mulitmedia. It has scaled much better over the years that the Palm OS has. At the end of the day, that has translated into WM obtaining a larger market share over the years.
Of course, I am just talking from the technical perspective of things here. Take into account Palm's pathetic support of it's developer community, in addition to the other points that are highlighted in the abovementioned article has attributed to Palm losing it's positioning in the handheld device market.
This is a quote from an online source that basically sums it all up:
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My favorite quote though is from the Palm 10 year anniversary press release. "February 1999 The sleek, modern Palm V handheld redefines the handheld industry with a new icon a product that strategically had zero additional features from its predecessor. Message: style matters." Of course, Microsoft and its OEM partners finally got that, something the iPAQ 3600 clearly showed. However, Palm forgot that style wasn't all that mattered. You can have a car that looks like a Porsche or Ferrari on the outside but if it has the chassis and drive train from a Ford Escort, it is still a Ford Escort.
Compleatly understanding your points on Garnet yet im not dismissing the simple fact that WM can multi task inturn causing a train reck when it comes to the overall proformance of the device-WM.Is there a fix to this?No or are there fixes that microsoft will not push forward to improve the user experance.
If you put the 700w and 700p side by side the 700p running Garnet is much more stable inturn increasing productivity and yes Garnet is pretty tweaked but holding very stable.JN im just a long time user of PDA,s-Ipaqs and using the 700p for the last week has been a outstaning experance.
I can barly keep my eyes open it,s a must sleep.Jn thanks for the article post.you do so much for mobility today and many thanks
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Compleatly understanding your points on Garnet yet im not dismissing the simple fact that WM can multi task inturn causing a train reck when it comes to the overall proformance of the device-WM.
I don't agree when I am downloading email, listening to mp3's over AD2DP and have my Opera Browser and Avantgo open at once. That's including MS Voice command in the backgroup, sbp pocket plus, gsPocketMagic menu app, etc. No train wreck here, even with my lowly 200mhz OMAP device.
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Is there a fix to this?No or are there fixes that microsoft will not push forward to improve the user experance.
Well, the only thing I can say here is that even my 3.2ghz with 1GB of ram can get bogged down to at times....it all depends on what your doing. As far a MS "fixing" things...you know as well as I do, that market competition will drive MS to improve. If Palm and it's new OS fails to make a dent in the upcoming generation of devices, then we all lose.
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If you put the 700w and 700p side by side the 700p running Garnet is much more stable inturn increasing productivity and yes Garnet is pretty tweaked yet holding very stable.
I am sure for some things you are correct. But I would like to see a Palm 700p do all of the above that I listed and still operate. I can't speak for the 700w but I can speak for all the Casio's, HP's, Ipaq's, and Imate's that I have owned.
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JN im just a long time user of PDA,s-Ipaqs and using the 700p for the last week has been a outstaning experance.
Point taken. And personally, I am glad that you found a device that works for your personal needs. However, that being said there's a reason for Palm's fall from being the PDA leader in the market, whether it be technical, corporate mindset, or just lack of connect with the corporate buyers of the world.
I have mobility today mp3 playing on pTunes,EVDO hight speed on the mobility today website and just got a a call then taking picture sending picture mail.I end call pTunes starts back up with my browser were i left it.I dont feel stuck in the mud with the treo. It,s multi tasking with smooth operation no lag is something WM has never given me.
when using the 6515 WM the task lag would take it,s effect .I loved wm because of all the choices it gave me but the stability of the software was not there.It seems palm has kept it simple making it much more simple for the user so ive learned in the last week.I do miss my weather panel software though hahahahaah yet Sprint streaming live TV has made up for it
Jerry Palm is making money quarter over quarter I hate to tell you. Also Palm has sold more handhelds than any other manufacturer. So I dont think Palm in anyway is on its last leg.
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Palm as as hardware manufactuer is not. however the Os most certainly it. If this os was so great why is palmsource scurrying to code its linux base. Know why? Because palm os has aged and it on it's last legs.
I am not the only person on the net who feels this is garnet's last stand.
Having worked with Palm and Verizon and knowing the ins and outs of the new 700 models I have made these observations:
The 700p sold more models in the first week than the 700w sold in 3 months.
The palm version comes with 60megs of usable storage with the windows version only allowing 16 megs of storage.
The windows version actually uses up memory while on and sitting on the table doing nothing. We had to constantly reset it to free up memory.
Windows mobile for smart phones is actually different than windows mobile for handhelds meaning very little software support. The Palm version will run nearly 20,000 different programs.
Documents to Go which comes with the Palm version has outtested Office mobile over and over in almost all magazines.
Windows claims it can multitask but after opening a few programs it crashes. Even the Palm version can access other data while on the phone but the Windows version kept crashing and dropping the call.
In general new customers come looking for the Windows Mobile version first because they are expecting something familiar to their home PC. But if they get a chance to play with both the Palm and Windows version they infact find that the Palm is much more intuitive.
Windows Mobile is all flash but doesn't deliver on much of anything it claims to do. I think we will see Palm around for a while to come. If Palm goes down, I think Windows will run the handheld and smartphone business into the ground.
Having worked with Palm and Verizon and knowing the ins and outs of the new 700 models I have made these observations:
The 700p sold more models in the first week than the 700w sold in 3 months.
The palm version comes with 60megs of usable storage with the windows version only allowing 16 megs of storage.
The windows version actually uses up memory while on and sitting on the table doing nothing. We had to constantly reset it to free up memory.
Windows mobile for smart phones is actually different than windows mobile for handhelds meaning very little software support. The Palm version will run nearly 20,000 different programs.
Documents to Go which comes with the Palm version has outtested Office mobile over and over in almost all magazines.
Windows claims it can multitask but after opening a few programs it crashes. Even the Palm version can access other data while on the phone but the Windows version kept crashing and dropping the call.
In general new customers come looking for the Windows Mobile version first because they are expecting something familiar to their home PC. But if they get a chance to play with both the Palm and Windows version they infact find that the Palm is much more intuitive.
Windows Mobile is all flash but doesn't deliver on much of anything it claims to do. I think we will see Palm around for a while to come. If Palm goes down, I think Windows will run the handheld and smartphone business into the ground.
side be side<<< treo700p,700w,ipaq 6515,MDA then doing a memory-speed-proformance test lets say 15 min of power using.that would be a very intresting podcast with many users of WM asking there selfs-What is wm really doing for me and why is it not doing whats advertised.
you have great points
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